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Season 8 CEACC Preseason Coaches Poll
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(10-12-2015 03:05 PM)HarveyGlass Wrote:  I started by ranking each division from 1-8, then I went head to head between conferences down the line. So I had the Fugs(1st Atlantic) versus the Doms(1st Coastal) and the Doms looked better. Then it was Fugs(1st Atlantic) versus Cats(2nd Coastal) and I went with the Fugs. And so forth.

Yeah, that's sorta how I do it. I pick the best teams from each conference, no particular cutoff, just teams I think separate themselves, and then look at their subs and try to establish a top 8 or so. I spend less time with the bottom half of the league.
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(10-12-2015 01:56 PM)nicklindy Wrote:  Love the discrepancy between my rank and chris' when we have a similar core group...
This won't be the last time I give the Lindys shit for drafting 4 of the same players. We didn't talk, they said. It's just coincidence, they said. Looking at your 6 best players, I think the Empire has the advantage at 3 positions. Not by much though.

Paige = Gbinije
Perrantes < Thornton
Brandon < Roberson

Young = Young
Jekiri > Meeks
A. Smith < Perrantes
Holmes = Holmes
Turner = Turner
Anya > Maia
Snider < Wilson
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This year looks suspicious as hades, I'll grant you that. But what on Earth would I gain by handing my entire draft plan over to another owner? I have zero interest in someone fielding my team, particularly if I think it can be a good one. In a hypothetical playoff scenario, I've turned this match-up into Paige & Jekiri vs. Gbinije & Meeks. Close in points and rebounds, I probably lose in defense and assists, then pray that I shoot better at the line that week.
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(10-12-2015 03:05 PM)HarveyGlass Wrote:  I started by ranking each division from 1-8, then I went head to head between conferences down the line. So I had the Fugs(1st Atlantic) versus the Doms(1st Coastal) and the Doms looked better. Then it was Fugs(1st Atlantic) versus Cats(2nd Coastal) and I went with the Fugs. And so forth.

Yeah that actually makes a lot of sense lol
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Don't have the numbers in front of me but for what it's worth, there wasn't much of a discrepancy. It was like average pick of 4.06 to 5.26. Not a huge margin.
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(10-12-2015 03:51 PM)jhmoss1812 Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 03:05 PM)HarveyGlass Wrote:  I started by ranking each division from 1-8, then I went head to head between conferences down the line. So I had the Fugs(1st Atlantic) versus the Doms(1st Coastal) and the Doms looked better. Then it was Fugs(1st Atlantic) versus Cats(2nd Coastal) and I went with the Fugs. And so forth.

Yeah that actually makes a lot of sense lol

Yeah, but then you look at this ballot and realize you shouldn't mix this methodology with Jack Daniels.
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Evan Williams.

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I'm curious what everything thinks Florida State's lineup is going to look like. I stayed as far away from that roster as possible until 1 of the better statistical centers fell to the 9th round.
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Here's my take...
G Bookert
G XRM
F Brandon
F Smith
C Boris

Bacon and Cofer with the key roles off the bench. I think they run a 3 "guard" lineup even though a few of their guards are wing size. I can see a lot of shuffling around with XRM being the only one getting 34+ minutes. Bacon is good. We recruited him for a long time but I'd be surprised if he stepped in as a starter.
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I liked Smith and Cofer but couldn't say who would get the best minutes. Throw in Brandon and Bacon(who's 6-7) and you've got a real logjam of wing-type players. Bookert and XRM should both get a lot of minutes, imo.

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Beasley is another talented combo guard who makes the rotation hard to guess
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Rankings
Dragons
Shooters
Anyone
Fuglys
Wheats
Empire
Critch
MikeF
HotHot
JHMOSS
DHC
Ballers
Buzz
Tarheels
Pirates
Marauders

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G Jackson, D
F Gbinije (POTY)
F Johnson, B
C Auguste (because I have the real best two)
Util Jones, C
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So one ballot left me off entirely lol
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i can understand the disrespect from new guys, but from Nick? Shits weak
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XRM is the only guy I'm sure will produce top 20 numbers. Brandon could, but I got scared off from using my 3rd/4th round picks on him because of the Bacon issue. In an ideal world, I would have taken him over Roberson for continued flexibility in my lineup and his potential scoring punch. He seems like a prime Connaughton candidate, though.

Boj is a great value in Round 9, but purely a garbage man from the offensive end. Bookert/Bacon/Brandon could/should all be interchangeable from one night to the next. Cofer, Jarquez Smith, and everyone else just waiver fodder for desperate teams.
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(10-12-2015 08:05 PM)J-Rye_UL Wrote:  i can understand the disrespect from new guys, but from Nick? Shits weak

I base my rankings on a combination of last years stats, average per 35 minutes and draft differential. It also considers your top 6 ranking and overall team ranking. I stopped trying to guess with freshmen after having Cooney, Christmas, Kadeem Batts and others blow up the season after I had them. Your last year stats are what hurt your ranking. Oh, and, does this translate to I want to have an Avatar bet?
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So you couldn't even build the best team from your own measurement of best and the #1 pick?
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1 to 5 are separated by 1.5 pts overall so they are interchangeable.
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(10-12-2015 03:28 PM)J-Rye_UL Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 01:56 PM)nicklindy Wrote:  Love the discrepancy between my rank and chris' when we have a similar core group...
This won't be the last time I give the Lindys shit for drafting 4 of the same players. We didn't talk, they said. It's just coincidence, they said. Looking at your 6 best players, I think the Empire has the advantage at 3 positions. Not by much though.

Paige = Gbinije
Perrantes < Thornton
Brandon < Roberson

Young = Young
Jekiri > Meeks
A. Smith < Perrantes
Holmes = Holmes
Turner = Turner
Anya > Maia
Snider < Wilson

On this, why would you not compare Perrantes to Perrantes and Thornton to Smith?
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I think Thornton will be better than Perrantes so I put him in the starting guard spot for the Empire. Whichever way you slice it, I like the Empire a shade more.
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(10-12-2015 08:05 PM)J-Rye_UL Wrote:  i can understand the disrespect from new guys, but from Nick? Shits weak

Word.
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Fwiw, I think the ballers will finish better than my ranking because nobody makes moves like J. But I can't take that into account now. I tried to be unbiased completely. It's hard to imagine a scenario where the ballers aren't competing with the top teams. I don't see him as a top 3 team right now but wouldn't bet him that he won't finish there.
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(10-12-2015 08:48 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 08:05 PM)J-Rye_UL Wrote:  i can understand the disrespect from new guys, but from Nick? Shits weak

Word.

Do the numbers 5 - 3 - 1 mean anything to you? I also noticed you were lacking a big banner in the rafters? #shootermcgavin
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Also, someone who claims to be Dominators shouldn't have a losing record on the road AND at home, right?
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Nick feeling saucy in the preseason. And yeah, I'll take that avatar bet

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I lost my first round pick for my first three seasons in the CEBE. It's all good though. No excuses. I'll take an avatar bet that you don't finish 2nd in the final regular season standings Mr. Cocky. Interested?
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Guess I will throw mine out there as well for S&G

G - Marcus Paige, UNC (POY)
G - Micheal Gbinije, Syracuse
F - Brandon Ingram, Duke
F - Devin Thomas, Wake
C - Zach Auguste, Notre Dame
U - Justin Bibbs, VA Tech

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(10-12-2015 08:26 AM)chrislindy Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 08:16 AM)DieHardCards Wrote:  If you actually think I have the worst team in the league, that's probably why you're being voted where you are. Maybe that's truly the case.

This is basically what I think. Either you're being childish or there's a high probability that YOUR talent evaluation is why your team is sitting at the bottom part of the rankings.

There's been exactly one season where I finished in the bottom half of the regular season standings and that was when my 2nd rounder went down with a season-ending injury. There has only been one other season where I failed to finish in the top 4... and I went to the title game in that year. Basically I don't screw up my draft... I may not get everyone I want or put together the team I want, but I'm going to maximize my picks.

Or it could be that I think the preseason rankings are silly and I take no time when I set them up. EL you used to do these rankings and I used to not put in any. I know you remember that.
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(10-12-2015 08:16 AM)DieHardCards Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 05:52 AM)chrislindy Wrote:  Avatar bet with any owner who thinks I'm finishing in the bottom 1/3 of the league. I may not be the best team (didn't even vote myself #1), but I'm damn sure better than 15th.

Yeah, I got two outlier votes of 16th. It is what it is. At least be less obvious and stick me at 13th or something. No one could possibly believe that someone that had 4 players get all-conference votes is going to finish dead last.

By the way, if you think this is a popularity contest and I voted you somewhere because I have some kind of beef with you...you're dead wrong. It's actually because of your picks. And when you see a consensus of everyone's voting that should show you that I'm not exercising a vendetta. But if you want have that everyone's out to get me attitude, it's your choice. I picked buzz and pirates 14th and 16th respectively and that's exactly where they ended up falling in the rankings overall. They both picked me dead last and despite that I still finished 6th. So tell me who is being unrealistic and carrying a grudge. If you actually think I have the worst team in the league, that's probably why you're being voted where you are. Maybe that's truly the case.

Well my take is that you always vote me last or very close to last. The last two years did I emd up last or close to last? Justify your rankings all you want. Popularity comes into effect in your rankings I have no doubt.
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(10-12-2015 10:13 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  I lost my first round pick for my first three seasons in the CEBE. It's all good though. No excuses. I'll take an avatar bet that you don't finish 2nd in the final regular season standings Mr. Cocky. Interested?

Well, considering I didn't rank myself 2nd this is probably a stupid question. Why not a week two avatar bet?
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So you don't think you're worthy of your ranking either?
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(10-13-2015 01:07 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  So you don't think you're worthy of your ranking either?

I feel like I need to jump into this debate since you and J have deemed our teams to essentially be the same. For my team, I'll say I'm going to be pretty disappointed if I'm not Top 4 again this year. Guaranteeing a 1 or 2 finish is hard with the scheduling anomalies and having nowhere to go but down, but I feel confident that my squad can be competitive enough throughout the season to be on the home side of a first-round tourney draw.
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Just realized we haven't seen DHC's full ballot. Curious if he's just trolling Nick or he believes are two teams are different enough to put me top of the Coastal and the Wheats somewhere further down the pecking order.
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(10-13-2015 01:15 PM)chrislindy Wrote:  Just realized we haven't seen DHC's full ballot. Curious if he's just trolling Nick or he believes are two teams are different enough to put me top of the Coastal and the Wheats somewhere further down the pecking order.

In the original post, it has my ranking for all of the teams. I have you at #1 and I think nick at #8.
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(10-13-2015 08:22 AM)needabuzz Wrote:  Or it could be that I think the preseason rankings are silly and I take no time when I set them up. EL you used to do these rankings and I used to not put in any. I know you remember that.
The preseason rankings are here just to keep us amused until the season starts, but last year's poll was weirdly accurate
  • 9 teams were predicted within 1 spot of where they finished
  • 11 team predicted within 2 spots
  • 13 teams predicted within 3 spots
  • Only 3 outliers with Medium Maintenance moving up 9 spots, Premature Shooters moving up 7 spots, and Dragons moving down 5 spots

A couple of those outliers make sense too. For the Shooters, no one predicted Rathan-Mayes would blow up like that, or that he'd get Jamel Artis on waivers. For the Dragons, they lost their 2nd round pick early in the season, Aaron Thomas - then lost Justin Anderson (4th round pick) a couple weeks later. I have no idea how Medium Maintenance ended up 9 spots better than the preseason. I guess Justise Winslow turning into an All ACC caliber player was the difference.
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These rankings are silly so I'm going to fuck Lindy and DHC and put them last because they're popular. Hehe.

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(10-13-2015 02:39 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  These rankings are silly so I'm going to fuck Lindy and DHC and put them last because they're popular. Hehe.

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Ain't no different then I am going to wake up at 4:52 AM for spite on Buzz if he doesn't make his pick or the whole Buzz drafts UL players so I am going to fuck him in the rankings. What comes around goes around my man.
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(10-13-2015 02:39 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  These rankings are silly so I'm going to fuck Lindy and DHC and put them last because they're popular. Hehe.
"because they're popular"

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Are we all still speaking adult English? I feel like I just stumbled into 3rd period English class.
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Hahaha
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