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(S7)PROPOSAL: "Premiere" League and Liga B
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Haha, this is going to get fun. I sincerely hope this is all in good fun. Glaciers certainly have my attention now for a playoff or 2015-2016 matchup.
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(01-12-2015 09:27 PM)chrislindy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 09:21 PM)captainblackbeard13 Wrote:  Maybe, but if you look at gameplans, opponents, and the make-up of each team, I have about a 70-75% chance of being right. Rozier plays on a putrid offensive teams with multiple scoring options which causes a lot more of uncertainty. I would give a 40-50% chance that his recent output continues.

You base this on linear regression, Monte Carlo simulations, or Yenkoutyeras Approximation?

The question at hand is a little to complex for linear regression, I have no patience for monte carlo simulations, and Yenkoutyeras Approximation is just laughable. I prefer the IN Tuition Algorithm, it has done well for me in the past.
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I didn't realize I was 8th, I figured I was lower. It definitely is all fun for me.
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(01-12-2015 09:28 PM)FrozenGlacier Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 09:25 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 09:19 PM)FrozenGlacier Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 08:34 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 08:15 PM)FrozenGlacier Wrote:  This is a terrible idea. If I had a top 3 pick instead of #7 I would be blowing people out. Also, not having the league mvp for 3 straight weeks has made my record abysmal. Putting people who finished bad one year into a sub league would be terrible because they just as easily could win it the next.

Okay. Firstly, with a snake draft is rather have seventh pick than first. Look at the history of the league and you'll see that the draft order has nothing to do with finish. Secondly, and for the umpteenth time, Okafor is not the league MVP. I know you're a Duke fan but he's just not.

Why on freaking Earth would you think I am a Duke fan? Thats about the stupidest comment I have ever heard.

Because you'd have to be a homer to continually repeat that he's the league MVP or just not have a great grasp on how to win. Obviously the latter.


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Would you consider Jackson and Sulaimon for Cook?

^^That'd be the stupidest freaking comment I've ever heard.

I got a player better than Cook for less. You obviously overvalue your own players. Its a common mistake noobies make.

Simmer down, Mister I have the worst team in the league. I spanked your ass preseason and I'll spank your ass in week 11. You wouldn't avatar bet me after you called me out in the preseason. Are you still writing checks your ass can't cash or are you ready to put your avatar where your mouth is, boy?

And no Turner is not better than cook.
01-12-2015 09:40 PM
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I must give two-shits about this because I stopped reading halfway through.
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(01-12-2015 09:34 PM)chrislindy Wrote:  Haha, this is going to get fun. I sincerely hope this is all in good fun. Glaciers certainly have my attention now for a playoff or 2015-2016 matchup.

It is. Still trying to figure out how DHCs thought i was a Duke fan. If he even glanced at my avatar for the first 2 months and followed college basketball closely he should have recognized who it was and conversely which team I am a fan of.
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Avatars off. Junkman has an ass avatar. Work. Not mixing well.
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Turner 13.3 3.1 1.0 1.0 88% (42 FTs)

Cook 14.6 2.7 3.0 1.4 97% (33 FTs)

Week in and week out these are equivalent players with Turner having better weeks and Cook having better ones. Turner was traded for Mitoglou, you wanted Okafor for Cook.
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Lol no. I said okafor is the only player on your team worth having. Okafor can't even be traded.
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You said turner was better. Which was false. Cook is better in 4/5 categories and is less than one rebound per week worse in the only category he doesn't lead.
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Wow, if that is true then DHC made the dumbest comment ever between you two. I could have gotten Cook for Winslow (it was a fair deal, but I am a bigger winslow fan then cook). DHC probably does not know what a fair deal is.
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Can you boys read? Okafor cannot be traded.
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All I read before I posted was the FG said u wanted okafor for cook, i guess you posted while I was writing. We all know he cannot be traded that was what made your offer, as stated by FG so absurd.
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(01-12-2015 10:04 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  Can you boys read? Okafor cannot be traded.

You said we could make a deal, but unfortunately Okafor can't be traded...implying that it would take Okafor to get Cook, if 1 round picks could be traded. Yet I got an identical player for one of my bench players.
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Yeah we could make a deal for Okafor if he were eligible. Why in the hell would you assume that was a cook for Okafor straight up trade?

I take back my earlier comments. We certainly do need a D league.
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(01-12-2015 10:13 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  Yeah we could make a deal for Okafor if he were eligible. Why in the hell would you assume that was a cook for Okafor straight up trade?

I take back my earlier comments. We certainly do need a D league.

I wouldn't trade Okafor for your whole team. I wouldn't trade Turner for anyone on your team. I guess you are a UK fan, but seriously how hard is it to see that you overvalued your trade assets.
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If I was in that league I would have dealt for Gbinije.
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Lol you've got to be drunk. Probably drunk when you were drafting.

Are you going to put your avatar where your mouth is or are you just going to keep spewing dumb shit out of your mouth, boy?
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(01-12-2015 10:20 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  Lol you've got to be drunk. Probably drunk when you were drafting.

Are you going to put your avatar where your mouth is or are you just going to keep spewing dumb shit out of your mouth, boy?

One week avatar bet on our week 11 matchup.
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Good deal.
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(01-12-2015 10:32 PM)FrozenGlacier Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 10:20 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  Lol you've got to be drunk. Probably drunk when you were drafting.

Are you going to put your avatar where your mouth is or are you just going to keep spewing dumb shit out of your mouth, boy?

One week avatar bet on our week 11 matchup.

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this thread is *fire emoji* tonight

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Might be the best possible avatar for this situation.
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I'm loving this thread. Although I disagree with a few people on draft position and player value, I love that they're in the league and active. For the record, I've drafted toward the end of the first round in the last 4 seasons. I finished first in 3 of the last 4 seasons. I don't like having the #1 pick. And now that player trades are no longer an option, here's my top 15+1, which doesn't account for any position bias or recency bias

1) Rakeem Christamas
2) Jerian Grant
3) Terry Rozier
4) Angel Rodriguez
5) Tyus Jones
6) James Robinson
7) Jahlil Okafor
8) Olivier Hanlan
9) Chris Jones
10) Kennedy Meeks
11) Demetrius Jackson
12) Tonye Jekiri
13) Pat Connaugton
14) Wayne Blackshear
15) Quinn Cook
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44) Ralston Turner

Okafor missing 2.7 free throws per game really hurts his stock in my book. If I'm only looking at conference games, Okafor would easily be in my top 5 as he's hit nearly 70% from the stripe.
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You put a bigger bump/ding on FT shooting than my rankings if I had to guess. By adding in the FT, Tyus Jones jumped similar to what you show (but not THAT high) and Okafor dropped (again, not THAT far). It's especially obvious by your ranking of Quinn Cook. Even adjusting for his FT shooting, I couldn't get him into my Top 15.
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(01-13-2015 09:54 AM)chrislindy Wrote:  You put a bigger bump/ding on FT shooting than my rankings if I had to guess. By adding in the FT, Tyus Jones jumped similar to what you show (but not THAT high) and Okafor dropped (again, not THAT far). It's especially obvious by your ranking of Quinn Cook. Even adjusting for his FT shooting, I couldn't get him into my Top 15.
I have a pretty unique way of ranking players. Seems to work for me. If only I could predict Roy Williams substitution patters ...
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It doesn't look different from my rankings at all save the FT component. We agree at the very top where counting stats outweigh the FT impact more or less.
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(01-12-2015 09:03 PM)chrislindy Wrote:  9) Kennedy Meeks (this is where J-Rye goes into a rage)
Just noticed this. Why would I be upset about my guy being in the top 10 while only getting 22 minutes? I love his production, but IF Roy ever comes to his senses then Meeks may end up top 5 [not counting on it]. Have you checked out the per 40 minutes production of Meeks vs. everyone else? Not even close. Johnson and Hicks are productive to a lesser extent, but everyone else in that frontcourt shouldn't even dress.

Demarcus Cousins is the only other player I can think of with that type of production in limited minutes.
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That's exactly why I figure you'd be in a rage. If he plays the 30+ minutes his peers are getting, he's easily a Top 5 guy. As it is, you and I are both getting hammered because a pair of double-double guys ride the pine for 5 and 10-minute stretches for no apparent reason.

It REALLY struck me with Brice Johnson against UofL. Had a really good first half, didn't get into foul trouble, and still sat the first 8 minutes of the 2nd half while Hicks did nothing and we expanded our lead to 13. To boot, he was key to the comeback by being the recipient of all those drive and dishes and grabbing big rebounds on the defensive end.
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(01-13-2015 01:05 PM)chrislindy Wrote:  It REALLY struck me with Brice Johnson against UofL. Had a really good first half, didn't get into foul trouble, and still sat the first 8 minutes of the 2nd half while Hicks did nothing and we expanded our lead to 13. To boot, he was key to the comeback by being the recipient of all those drive and dishes and grabbing big rebounds on the defensive end.
It's like everyone but Ole' Roy can see this stuff. Maybe he's becoming senile. I could see why some fans would be frustrated with him ever since the early tourney exit in 2012 when Kendall Marshall got injured.
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(01-12-2015 09:14 PM)captainblackbeard13 Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 09:03 PM)chrislindy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 08:57 PM)captainblackbeard13 Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 08:34 PM)DieHardCards Wrote:  Okafor is not the league MVP. I know you're a Duke fan but he's just not.

That might be the funniest and perhaps the most inaccurate statement ever!!!!!

1) Rakeem Christmas (defense puts him over the top)
2) Jahlil Okafor
3) Jerian Grant
4) Terry Rozier
5) Olivier Hanlan
6) Angel Rodriguez
7) Montrezl Harrell
8) Devin Thomas
9) Kennedy Meeks (this is where J-Rye goes into a rage)
10) Pat Connaughton

Your also looking at the stats for the year. Okafor's stats have gotten better every week in all categories (including ft shooting). It is just a matter of opinion. Christmas has taken a backseat to Cooney and Gbinije lately and his stats are not going to improve down the stretch. Okafor will probably average 22-25 points the rest of the way with 10+ rebounds and 3-4 defense (That is the MVP right there).

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...so much for that.
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Okay, so I have been giving this some thought...I do not support this premiere league BS but I would support and NCAA like tournament and an NIT tournament. I don't like the fact that a 16 seed can win this league. Not that I am scared of anyone ranked that low, it is just against the idea of the league and likely why this Premiere League stuff came up. Thoughts?
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I do like the idea of the 16 team tourney. It introduces a true Cinderella. I could see, however, a double elimination setup. The better teams would not be eliminated completely.

As an alternative, I could also see a 16-team first round whee the 8 winners continue onto the NCAA tournament. Instead of eliminating the others though, the losers go into an 8-team NIT tourney. No mixing back to the NCAA in this option, but at least everyone gets to play one more week. Somehow ending in the middle of February seems to early.
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The problem though is that we can't play on into the real life conference tourneys because real teams get eliminated thereby wiping out large chunks of players.

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(02-03-2015 09:13 PM)Mike F Wrote:  I do like the idea of the 16 team tourney. It introduces a true Cinderella. I could see, however, a double elimination setup. The better teams would not be eliminated completely.

As an alternative, I could also see a 16-team first round whee the 8 winners continue onto the NCAA tournament. Instead of eliminating the others though, the losers go into an 8-team NIT tourney. No mixing back to the NCAA in this option, but at least everyone gets to play one more week. Somehow ending in the middle of February seems to early.

Like this idea.
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(02-03-2015 09:13 PM)Mike F Wrote:  As an alternative, I could also see a 16-team first round whee the 8 winners continue onto the NCAA tournament. Instead of eliminating the others though, the losers go into an 8-team NIT tourney.
+1 for this option
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(02-04-2015 10:40 AM)J-Rye_UL Wrote:  
(02-03-2015 09:13 PM)Mike F Wrote:  As an alternative, I could also see a 16-team first round whee the 8 winners continue onto the NCAA tournament. Instead of eliminating the others though, the losers go into an 8-team NIT tourney.
+1 for this option

I know it would be some extra work, but is there anyone against this for this season? The option is simply ending with each loss over the next couple weeks. I can't imagine anyone objecting since we all hope to keep playing anyway. Of course, the NIT is just for bragging rights (and based on the website, bragging rights do mean a lot in this league).
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We don't play for money (yet) so bragging rights is all we have around these parts
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Harv once took a cactus up the ass. Haven't heard him bragging about that one yet, though.
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